When was Jesus Born??

Four versions follow, two involving planetary lineup.

Version 1 follows.     Go to here for version 2.  Go to  here for version 3. 
Version 4
regarding what the Bible says about John the Baptist's birth in relation 
to the timing of Jesus' birth.

Go to here for a pictorial video of how planets line up, even with an existing star to make the appearance of a super bright star seen from earth. The most likely conjuction occurred  June 12th 2BC . However  if Herrod died in 4BC and Herod was killing all the babies hoping Jesus was one of them; this date may be  a little late. 

Although the date of Jesus' birth is not specifically mentioned in the bible, the facts regarding  the Bethlehem star are.  Backtracking into time astronomically reveals there was such a time when such a star could have been seen on earth. The 3 B.C.  date below also corresponds favorably with the fact King Herrod had all the baby's killed he could find hoping one of them was the Messiah, and Herrod died in 4 B.C. which means Jesus had to be born several years before 1 A.D.  Considering a year we would think of as 0 AD or O BCE is  not recorded, it puts Jesus at about 34 years of age when he was crucified in 32 A.D.

Author Ernest L. Martin says Jesus Christ was born on Sept. 11, 3 B.C. and wrote a book on it called "The Star that astonished the World".  Many other scholars believe this also.

Many biblical scholars, theologians, historians, and astronomers say that the
Star of Bethlehem, signifying the birth of Jesus Christ, can be calculated to within a few hours of September 11, 3 B.C., based on celestial charts and alignments for that time. Historian Dr. Ernest L. Martin first article on the subject appeared in 1976, and in 1981 he published his research in "The Birth of Christ Recalculated". In 1991, the book was re-released as "The Star that Astonished the World." Dr. Martin revealed in his book, that the signs in the sky on the night of Jesus' birth occurred on only one day in 3 B.C., and they occurred
exactly on September 11, 3 B.C. between 6:15 pm and 7:49 pm EST.

Editor's Note: Dr. Ernest L. Martin died on January 16, 2002.


Version 2

THE BIRTH OF JESUS THE NAZARITE AT PASSOVER IN 7 B.C.

In the year 7 B.C. there was a conjunction of Jupiter (the king of the
planets) and Saturn (thought to be the protector of Israel) in the
Constellation of Pisces (the Sign of the Messiah), as computed by Johannes
Kepler, that was first visible at daybreak on the 12th of April. Passover
in 7 B.C. was on Monday April 13th which commenced at sundown on the 12th.


King; Israel; Messiah. 12th April 7 B.C.

On the morning of the 29th of May it is believed the stars were visible for
2 hours and, on December 4th  of 7 B.C. Jupiter and Saturn met in the
Constellation of Pisces for the last time.

The A.D. system of dating is inaccurate: It is a system of dating which owes
little to the birth of Christ and rather more to the imagination of a
Scythian monk Dionysius Exiguus who was instructed in A.D. 533 to commence a new calendar working backwards from his day to the birth of Christ. As is to
be expected, he was years adrift in his reckoning. We know roughly when
Jesus was born from the New Testament narrative:

Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea, in the days of Herod the king.
Matthew 2:1

It is a fact of history that Herod died in 4 B.C.

Between the birth of Jesus and the death of Herod there were several events
which necessitate there being a period of years separating the two events.
There was the 'slaughter of the innocents' which drove the Jesus family into
Egypt. Herod dare not have mounted that until the census ordered by Caesar
had been completed and such a census could not be completed in a few months.
People had to travel far and wide to census points and the whole operation,
including the necessary checks which would be undertaken, would take a long
time. Thus the Bible narrative indicates that the birth of Jesus could not
have been very much later than 7 B.C.

Also Herod had all of the children of two years of age and under murdered
and he died in 4 B.C. so that means that the birth of Jesus was at least two
years prior to Herod's death, i.e. 7-6 B.C.

Matthew 2:1 Now when Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men (druids) to the East to
Jerusalem,
2:2 Saying, Where is he that has been BORN King of the Jews? for we saw his
"Star" in the East, and are come to worship him.
2:3 When Herod the king had heard [these things], he was troubled, and all
Jerusalem with him.
2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and lawyers of the people
together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written
by the prophet,
2:6 And thou Bethlehem, [in] the land of Judah, art not the least among the
princes of Judah: for out of thee shall come a Governor (of this prison
planet), that shall rule My people Israel.
2:7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them
diligently [exactly] what time the "Star" had appeared.
2:8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for
the young child; and when ye have found [him], bring me word again, that I
may come and worship him also.
2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the "Star", which
they had seen in the East, went before them, till it came and stood over
where the young child was.
2:10 When they saw the "Star", they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
2:11 And when they were come into the HOUSE, they saw the young CHILD with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
2:12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to
Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to
Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother,
and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod
will seek the young child (not baby) to destroy him.
2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and
departed into Egypt:
2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled
which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I
called My son.
2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men, was
exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in
Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from TWO YEARS old and under,
according to the time which he had diligently [and accurately] enquired of
the wise men.
2:17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the Prophet,
saying,
2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great
mourning, Rachel weeping [for] her children, and would not be comforted,
because they are not.
2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a
dream to Joseph in Egypt,
 
The wise men
To the wise men ( Druids ) who studied astronomy and astrology this was a
sign so powerful that they could not ignore it. Jupiter the 'Kingly star'
and Saturn the 'Protector of Israel' in the constellation of the 'Sign of
the Messiah'. Being Israelites and Levites in exile they would know from the
Book of Micah in Holy Scripture that the place of the birth of the foretold
Messiah-King would be Bethlehem, but because it took them two years before
they could get to Judaea, from the British Isles, they would automatically
seek for their King in the capital city of Jerusalem.

At 05.24 am, 12/4/07 BC. - Jupiter and Saturn in the Constellation of
Pisces.

At 07.27 am, 12/4/07 BC. - Mercury; Venus and the Sun joined the conjunction
of Jupiter and Saturn in the Constellation of Pisces, making it even more
potent in its message. The King (Jupiter) Protector of Israel (Saturn), the
Messiah (Pisces), the Messenger (Mercury) from Venus (Rev. 22:16 / Kk 30:16)
and the Sun of Righteousness (Malachi 4:2).

After finding out from Herod that the Messiah-King was not in Jerusalem the
Druids went to Bethlehem and there found the young child Jesus in his
parents' house.

When the shepherds who were watching their flocks in the fields of
Bethlehem, came to see Jesus during the night on which he was born, the word
used in the account (Luke, chapter 2) defining Jesus is (brephos) a new-born
babe, but when the Wise Men (Druids) from the West visited, he is then
described as (paidion) a little lad or little child.

The Shepherds
In Luke 2: 8 we read, And there were in the same country shepherds abiding
in the field keeping watch over their flocks by night. There is a saying of
the Talmudists that the flocks were taken to the fields in March and brought
back in November. This of course could only apply to the higher mountainous
parts of Palestine. In many of the lower parts of the country the flocks
were able to be in the fields all the year round. The little town of
Bethlehem itself is situated about 2,550 feet above sea-level (an altitude
much higher than that of any town in the whole of Great Britain), but some
of the country round Bethlehem is considerably higher still. Whilst in
Jericho, which is one of the lowest towns in the world and less than 30
miles away, the climate is almost tropical, yet up in Bethlehem there is
usually frost and quite often snow in the Winter. One can realise therefore
that the Bethlehem area was one of those districts where the sheep were
brought in during the Winter, and if this be correct, then according to the
time of the movement of the sheep stated by the Talmudists, Jesus would not
be born in the Winter but sometime between March and November when the sheep were out in the fields at night.

From this information it can be reasonably concluded that the birth of Jesus was
probably on, April 12th  in 7 B.C. at Passover.

Some people believe the birth was in September, but whichever month it was,
it was in 7 B.C. not the year zero or 1 A.D..

The x-mass festival has nothing to do with Jesus, Christ or God.

Christ personally condemns xmass and states in Scripture that he hates it:-

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Conspiranoia/message/4795 /

Unless you hate God (and all that is Good and Truth and Light) and prefer
to serve Satan, evil and his NWO (and I personally don't recommend it!),
please don't celebrate anti-Christ pagan festivals.

God Bless.

Long live the Fighters.  Long live the King.

John Russell.
++++++++++

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Digression 29: Was Jesus Born on December 25?

Another major mistake of popular Christianity is concerning the birthday of Jesus. The shepherds were sleeping in the fields with their flocks at the time of Christ's birth (Luke 2:8); they would not have been doing this at Christmas time, during the winter. Christ lived for 33.5 years and then died at the feast of Passover, which is at Easter time. He must therefore have been born six months the other side of Easter - i.e. around September/October.

December 25 was originally the date of a pagan feast in pre-Christian Europe. The Acts of the Apostles records how the true Christians were badly persecuted by the pagans because of their beliefs. Time and again the apostles warned that because of this, some Christians would adopt pagan beliefs, to enable them to make their religion more palatable to the pagans around them (e.g. Acts 20:30; 1 John 2:18; 2 Thess. 2:3; 2 Peter 2:1-3). The adoption of December 25 as a Christian festival is a prime example of this. Christmas trees, mistletoe etc. can all be traced back to pagan rites practiced on December 25.

It follows from this that true Christians should not celebrate the birth of Christ on December 25. In practice, true believers will make use of most public holidays, e.g. Christmas, to fellowship together wherever possible.

Version 3

THE BIRTH OF JESUS THE NAZARITE AT PASSOVER IN 7 B.C.

In the year 7 B.C. there was a conjunction of Jupiter (the king of the
planets) and Saturn (thought to be the protector of Israel) in the
Constellation of Pisces (the Sign of the Messiah), as computed by Johannes
Kepler, that was first visible at daybreak on the 12th of April. ( Passover
in 7 B.C. was on Monday April 13th which commenced at sundown on the 12th.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Conspiranoia/message/547

King; Israel; Messiah. 12th April 7 B.C.

On the morning of the 29th of May it is believed the stars were visible for
2 hours and, on December 4th of 7 B.C. Jupiter and Saturn met in the
Constellation of Pisces for the last time.

The A.D. system of dating is inaccurate: It is a system of dating which owes
little to the birth of Christ and rather more to the imagination of a
Scythian monk Dionysius Exiguus who was instructed in A.D. 533 to commence a new calendar working backwards from his day to the birth of Christ. As is to
be expected, he was years adrift in his reckoning. We know roughly when
Jesus was born from the New Testament narrative:

Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea, in the days of Herod the king.
Matthew 2:1

It is a fact of history that Herod died in 4 B.C.

Between the birth of Jesus and the death of Herod there were several events
which necessitate there being a period of years separating the two events.
There was the 'slaughter of the innocents' which drove the Jesus family into
Egypt. Herod dare not have mounted that until the census ordered by Caesar
had been completed and such a census could not be completed in a few months.
People had to travel far and wide to census points and the whole operation,
including the necessary checks which would be undertaken, would take a long
time. Thus the Bible narrative indicates that the birth of Jesus could not
have been very much later than 7 B.C.

Also Herod had all of the children of two years of age and under murdered
and he died in 4 B.C. so that means that the birth of Jesus was at least two
years prior to Herod's death, i.e. 7-6 B.C.

Matthew 2:1 Now when Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men (druids) to the East to
Jerusalem,
2:2 Saying, Where is he that has been BORN King of the Jews? for we saw his
"Star" in the East, and are come to worship him.
2:3 When Herod the king had heard [these things], he was troubled, and all
Jerusalem with him.
2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and lawyers of the people
together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written
by the prophet,
2:6 And thou Bethlehem, [in] the land of Judah, art not the least among the
princes of Judah: for out of thee shall come a Governor (of this prison
planet), that shall rule My people Israel.
2:7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them
diligently [exactly] what time the "Star" had appeared.
2:8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for
the young child; and when ye have found [him], bring me word again, that I
may come and worship him also.
2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the "Star", which
they had seen in the East, went before them, till it came and stood over
where the young child was.
2:10 When they saw the "Star", they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
2:11 And when they were come into the HOUSE, they saw the young CHILD with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
2:12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to
Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to
Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother,
and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod
will seek the young child (not baby) to destroy him.
2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and
departed into Egypt:
2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled
which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I
called My son.
2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men, was
exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in
Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from TWO YEARS old and under,
according to the time which he had diligently [and accurately] enquired of
the wise men.
2:17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the Prophet,
saying,
2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great
mourning, Rachel weeping [for] her children, and would not be comforted,
because they are not.
2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a
dream to Joseph in Egypt,

The wise men
To the wise men ( Druids
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Conspiranoia/message/3034 
who studied astronomy and astrology this was a
sign so powerful that they could not ignore it. Jupiter the 'Kingly star'
and Saturn the 'Protector of Israel' in the constellation of the 'Sign of
the Messiah'. Being Israelites and Levites in exile they would know from the
Book of Micah in Holy Scripture that the place of the birth of the foretold
Messiah-King would be Bethlehem, but because it took them two years before
they could get to Judaea, from the British Isles, they would automatically
seek for their King in the capital city of Jerusalem.

At 05.24 am, 12/4/07 BC. - Jupiter and Saturn in the Constellation of
Pisces.

At 07.27 am, 12/4/07 BC. - Mercury; Venus and the Sun joined the conjunction
of Jupiter and Saturn in the Constellation of Pisces, making it even more
potent in its message. The King (Jupiter) Protector of Israel (Saturn), the
Messiah (Pisces), the Messenger (Mercury) from Venus (Rev. 22:16 / Kk 30:16)
and the Sun of Righteousness (Malachi 4:2).

After finding out from Herod that the Messiah-King was not in Jerusalem the
Druids went to Bethlehem and there found the young child Jesus in his
parents' house.

When the shepherds who were watching their flocks in the fields of
Bethlehem, came to see Jesus during the night on which he was born, the word
used in the account (Luke, chapter 2) defining Jesus is (brephos) a new-born
babe, but when the Wise Men (Druids) from the West visited, he is then
described as (paidion) a little lad or little child.

The Shepherds
In Luke 2: 8 we read, And there were in the same country shepherds abiding
in the field keeping watch over their flocks by night. There is a saying of
the Talmudists that the flocks were taken to the fields in March and brought
back in November. This of course could only apply to the higher mountainous
parts of Palestine. In many of the lower parts of the country the flocks
were able to be in the fields all the year round. The little town of
Bethlehem itself is situated about 2,550 feet above sea-level (an altitude
much higher than that of any town in the whole of Great Britain), but some
of the country round Bethlehem is considerably higher still. Whilst in
Jericho, which is one of the lowest towns in the world and less than 30
miles away, the climate is almost tropical, yet up in Bethlehem there is
usually frost and quite often snow in the Winter. One can realize therefore
that the Bethlehem area was one of those districts where the sheep were
brought in during the Winter, and if this be correct, then according to the
time of the movement of the sheep stated by the Talmudists, Jesus would not
be born in the Winter but sometime between March and November when the sheep were out in the fields at night.

From this information it can be concluded that the birth of Jesus was
probably on, April 12th in 7 B.C. at Passover.

Some people believe the birth was in September, but whichever month it was,
it was in 7 B.C. not the year zero or 1 A.D..

The x-mass festival has nothing to do with Jesus, Christ or God.

Christ personally condemns xmass and states in Scripture that he hates it:-

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Conspiranoia/message/15200/

Unless you hate God (and all that is Good and Truth and Light) and prefer
to serve Satan, evil and his NWO (and I personally don't recommend it!),
please don't celebrate anti-Christ pagan festivals.

_________________________________________________

Version 4 - what the Bible says about John the Baptist's birth in relation to Jesus' birth

the Bible shows us that Jesus wasnít born on Christmas, in December, or even in the winter of the year. So when was He born?

We find the important clues about the real time of Jesus' birth in what the Bible tells us about His cousin, John the Baptist.

Maybe youíve read the Gospel of Luke and thought it was strange that the book and the story begins not with the story of the conception of Jesus, but with the story of the conception of John the Baptist. Thereís a very good reason for this. Luke was sure to tell us in very specific detail when John the Baptist was conceived and born.

In Luke 1, it tells us that Johnís mother, Elizabeth was six months pregnant when Jesus was conceived.

"In the sixth month of Elizabethís pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virginís name was MaryÖ" (Luke 1:24-27).

Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist, and Mary, the mother of Jesus, were cousins. That means that from this verse, we know that John was six months older than Jesus. So we can discover the approximate time of year Jesus was born if we know when John was born.

Now letís look at what the Bible tells us about the time of Johnís birth.

Johnís father, Zacharias, was a priest serving in the Temple at Jerusalem. The Bible tells us that he and his wife were both righteous people who put their hearts into serving God. Zacharias, weíre told, was a priest who served in "the division of Abijah" (Luke 1:5). At this time, the Temple priests in Jerusalem were divided into several different "divisions" or what were called "courses" - or groups of priests that would take turns performing Temple service during the year. Itís like a yearly schedule for those serving at the Temple. There were so many priests at the time that they had to be set up on a schedule to have their time to serve in the Temple.

Now, hereís whatís important. Historians calculate that the course of Abijah mentioned by Luke, during which Zacharias served, happened from June 13-19 in that year ( The Companion Bible , 1974, Appendix 179, p. 200).

The announcement therefore to Zacharias in the Temple as to the conception of John the Baptist took place between June 13-19 as our calendar has it today in that year.

During his Temple service, the angel Gabriel appeared to Zacharias and announced to him that he and his wife Elizabeth would have a child (Luke 1:8-13). After he completed his service and traveled home, Elizabeth conceived the cousin of Jesus; the child that would one day become John the Baptist (Luke 1:23-24). It seems that Johnís conception took place near the end of June which was after the division of Abijah and Zecharias completed his Temple service, adding nine months brings us to the end of March the next year as the most likely time for Johnís birth.

Adding another six months - the difference between the ages of John and Jesus (Luke 1:35-36) - brings us to the end of September as the likely time of Jesus' birth.

Now, when we look back and we look at this timeframe, we learn some interesting facts.

Zacharias, remember, was serving during the course of Abijah which was in the middle part of June of that year when he heard the announcement of his sonís birth. He went home, his wife conceived John the Baptist toward the end of June that year. Nine months later, John the Baptist was born in the spring, probably during the month of March as we know it today.

Six months later, Jesus Christ was born. Therefore, Christ is six months younger than his cousin and was born most likely in the fall sometime in the timeframe of September or October of that year.

So, if itís provable using what we know from the Bible and some historical research that Jesus was born in the autumn of the year instead of the middle of winter in December, does that mean then we should keep Christmas or Christís birth and celebrate it in September instead of December? No it doesnít.

For this reason: Nowhere in the Bible is there any instruction or command to commemorate or in any way celebrate the day of Christís birth. The fact that so many specific dates are given about other important and even less important events in the Bible, yet this exact date - the date of Christís birth - remains vague, that is significant.

God didnít intend for this specific date, the date of Christís birth, to be celebrated. Now God does give us other specific days to observe that honor Christ and the Father. We do not need to invent our own days and times to do this. For those who love God and His Son, it is only natural to desire to worship both of them. But it is far better to worship God and Jesus Christ on the days and the times God has set.

As for the celebration of Christmas in December: Remember what we read earlier about the Roman church adopting pagan practices into the Christian faith to create Christmas. Jesus wouldnít want us to celebrate pagan days as a means of honoring His birth. Now how can I make such a statement?

How do we know what Jesus would or would not want us to do? God makes it very clear He does not like pagan practices and He pretty well lays it out for us in one passage of the Bible that we should take note about. It says this in the book of Deuteronomy.

"When the LORD your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, 'How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.' You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. 'Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to [it] nor take away from it' " (Deuteronomy 12:29-32 ,NKJV).



God Bless.

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